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Welcome back to episode of 106 of the O.C.

dot com podcast.

And this episode I brought back Dr Stephen Philipson.

Stephen is a lust clinical psychologist who specializes in CBT as a treatment for

OCD. He co-founded the first support group in New York for Oesty Sufferers in 1987 and he is the clinical director at the center of cognitive behavioral psychotherapy.

Now hopefully listen to my first episode of him which was only a few episodes ago now.

I've already loved our conversation. I asked my own questions and I asked a lot of your questions to him which he kindly answered in detail and I think he

gave loads of great information so I wanted to get him back on to talk about the choice

article so the article about choice, he wrote, he mentions in that previous episode.

And I had time to read it is 23,000 words, it's quite lengthy, but it is a good read.

There is a lot of insight and empowerment in there I believe.

So we basically devised this episode around that article but before we get into that a couple of the

questions I asked him was basically just explain ERP and more importantly explain

why it works the psychology behind it because I thought

that would be useful to you guys and so did he. It was talked about why it's something

who have a harder time in ARP. Then we go on to questions around choice and sort of

of building up that champion mindset in recovery, the kind of therapist's role

in ERP. We talk about kind of remaining centered living by your values, choosing to let it be, it's just there, you know, the fort, we break that down, more importantly, Stephen breaks that down talk about sacrifices and

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