Hello, hello and welcome back to a bit fruity.

The show where it increasingly feels like the conclusion that I reached by the end of every episode

is that there aren't good people and bad people, but just people who have the capacity to be

complicated and conflicting, and when you realize that it becomes a lot easier

to take in new information about them without fighting against it for the sake of upholding

some cartoonishly two-dimensional version of

personhood that we often wish was a reality that was the longest intro I've

the longest sentence I've ever recited.

Today we are here once again

with recurring friend of the show, Kat Tenbarge.

Such an honor.

Well, thank you for having me back.

I love to be here. I'm a tech and culture reporter at NBC News.

I think my dream for this podcast is to ultimately in the long run do what I've begun doing

which is just like there's like four guests and every couple of months you can

know that you're going to hear from one of them and on issues like this, there's no one but cat.

Quick trigger warning for today's episode, we are going to be talking about sexual abuse. We're going to be

talking about child sexual abuse. If that's something that's hard for you to take in

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which chronicles the lives of late 90s and early 2000s

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