This week on the perfect scam.

People want to think that it's never going to happen to them, that they're too smart, they're

protected, you know, and there were a lot of comments like, well, everybody knows that you do

this, and how could you let that happen? Like, how stupid? I'm not stupid. I got tricked. It's a multi-billion-dollar industry to trick us.

They come up with new things to manipulate us and steal our money every day.

Welcome back to The Perfect Scamp.

I'm your host, Bob Sullivan.

Anyone who's ever lived through a home renovation project knows how stressful that can be.

And that goes double when the kitchen is being renovated.

There's always delays, disruptions, compromises.

Not to mention, where do you make a cup of tea when your kitchen sink isn't even there?

As we've said many times, criminals target victims when they're in high-stress situations,

and today's story shows how vulnerable people going through a renovation can be.

It's also a pretty shocking crime that, well, as you'll see,

certainly fits the description of a perfect scam. Let's meet today's guests, a charming couple

who recently moved from the Seattle area to Arizona with dreams of beautiful sunsets and an

amazing kitchen where they'd entertained family and friends for years.

I'm Susie Bierman and I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, just north of Tucson.

Gary Bierman and I live in the same place as Susie does, it's Oro Valley, just north of Tucson.

That is a crazy coincidence.

Wait, to you the guy that I saw in the hallway earlier?

Yes.

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