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Duane Michals: Redefined Photography, But Don't Call Him an Artist

LGBTQ&A

Jeffrey Masters

Society & Culture

4.7703 Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2024

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Duane Michals has never followed the rules. The pioneering photographer, now 92 years old, says, "Because I didn't learn the photo rules it was very easy for me to abandon them. You're either defined by the medium...well, I redefined the medium."

Duane talks about discovering his love for photography in the 1950s, not looking down on commercial work, his half-century-long relationship with his partner, and why talking about "art" makes him want to vomit.

To see all of the photos that Duane talks about, come check out our Substack. And if you're able, becoming a paid Substack subscriber is also the best way to support our work. Click here to do that. Thank you to everyone who has subscribed. This show wouldn't be able to continue without you.

This is a part of our special series, The LGBTQ+ Elders Project. If you want to recommend an elder, come find me on Substack or social media (@jeffmasters1). And if it’s someone who isn’t well-known, it's most helpful if you can share as much info as possible.


LGBTQ&A is hosted and produced by Jeffrey Masters.

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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Jeffrey Masters, and we are ticking off our brand new season with one of the great

0:10.9

photographic innovators of the last century, that is Dwayne Michaels.

0:16.8

Now, Dwayne did two big things that changed how we think about what is possible in a photo.

0:22.6

One, he shot scenes, different narrative sequences of photos that all told a story.

0:28.6

This was the 1960s, 1970s, and doing this, it was unlike anything else anyone was doing back then.

0:36.6

And then, two, Dwayne would write by hand near and around the photos.

0:42.7

This was not just the title, but full messages.

0:46.1

Here, for example, there is a famous photo of a young couple and they're sitting on the

0:50.1

bed holding each other.

0:52.0

They look happy, they're smiling, and you think, oh, okay, that's

0:54.9

really great. But then you read the message. It says this, this photograph is my proof.

1:00.8

There was that afternoon when things were still good between us. And she embraced me. And we were

1:06.6

happy. It did happen. She did love me. Look, see for yourself. And suddenly that previously

1:14.7

happy photo, it's flipped on its head. As you'll hear, Dwayne never learned any of these established

1:21.3

rules of photography, and so it was easy to abandon them. He shot commercially for Vogue,

1:31.3

for Gap, as well as creating work that appeared in museums and fine art spaces.

1:33.6

You'll hear us talk about that work, about his lifelong partnership with Fred Gorey,

1:37.7

the two were together for 57 years, and I think you'll like this.

1:42.2

In all my years of doing this show, Dwayne is the only person I've ever talked to who has

1:47.4

threatened to slap me in the middle of the interview.

1:50.5

So get excited for that.

1:52.9

And then lastly, we have a bunch of Dwayne's work on our substack.

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