I'm Matt.

Hey, I'm Steve.

Hey, I'm John.

This is the Sober Friends podcast.

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This is the sober friends podcast. All right, Steve, if you're brand new and you're worried about a relapse, one of those things that you've got to worry about are those caution signs and those

red lights that you ignore along the way that either prevents you from getting sober

or it keeps you from staying sober. Very rarely does a relapse happen totally out of nowhere.

You were minding your own business as you were on your knees praying to your higher power

in the middle of a meeting. Doesn't quite happen.

No, not quite. What's your thoughts there? Because of the two of us, you had the relapse. I did not.

And I like to learn from you. Well, a couple things about this thing. One is the first time coming

through. You know, I look at back, and again, this stuff is in hindsight, mostly, not all of it, mostly in hindsight, but I think about all the

different signs that I had early on that I had a problem with alcohol that I ignored and kept

me out there for such a long time of drinking. And I've talked about bits and pieces along the way,

but never sort of all in one place. And, you know, and it started with, you know,

me getting arrested for a DWI at 19 years old, right? 19 years old. I had a DWI.

Back then it was called the DWI, not a DUI. I remember that phraseology because I'm getting

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