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Head to vanta.com slash Spotify to learn more. Hello, Prestige Heads and welcome. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade, Derek Davidson, and we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast today.

My friend Lydia Walker, Lydia's an assistant professor

and the Myers Chair in Global Military History

at the Ohio State University

and also the author of States in Waiting,

a counter-narrative of global decolonization.

And we're continuing our discussion of this book.

So, Lydia, thank you so much for joining us again. Thanks a lot, Danny and Derek. Much appreciate the

opportunity to speak at such length. Didn't realize we keep going. At such an incredible length,

it never ends. Everybody says that. They really appreciate the multiple times that they have to come on the show.

No, they love it. They love it so much. So Lydia, I think we're going to talk today about this place called Katanga.

But before we do, why don't we wrap up a little bit talking about the World Peace Brigade

and maybe even the larger firmament

of which the World Peace Brigade was a part

to get us into this question of Katanga.

Thanks, Danny.

So I think we closed sort of our first set of conversations with this concept of non-state actor and its

relationship to the state and also why sort of there's so much scholarship right now on so-called

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