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And we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast today.

Jessica Pishko, Jessica is an independent journalist as well as a lawyer, and she's also the author of

the highest law in the land, how the unchecked power of sheriffs threatens democracy.

Jessica, thank you so much for joining us again.

Oh, thanks for having me, guys.

So I guess the first basic question is, what made you want to devote so much time to us again. Oh, thanks for having me, guys. So I guess the first basic question is,

what made you want to devote so much time to studying sheriffs? For people who are unaware,

who are sheriffs, where did they come from? Why did you want to write about them?

So I will say, when I first started working on and writing about sheriffs, everyone told me it was pretty silly. So I understand why people might have questions. You know, the idea of working on a book about sheriffs really came to me, I was living in California. And some people may or may not be familiar with this, but California was forced to reduce their

prison population because the Supreme Court said they had to. So their prisons were stacking up,

you know, 150% capacity. And what the state decided to do was send some people serving prison

time back to county jails. So they said, they called it

realignment. So they said, okay, what we're going to do to reduce overcrowding in the prison

was send more people to county jails and will give money to these people and they could decide what they

want to do. So it was sort of like, well, you could

decide how you want to spend this money. And the person in charge of all of that ended up being

the elected county sheriff in each California county. And so right away, it became evident that

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