This is 15 minutes of freedom. I'm your host Ryan. I don't today coming live from Puerto Rico.

Actually, I'll say a good friend really just we've crossed past so many times.

Curtis Naley, Curtis, Curtis how are you my man?

Fantastic man it's a pleasure being on the show I really appreciate you taking the time today.

Yeah of course so before we jump into all the history that you and I share without even knowing it, really,

the depth in which we share it, I start on every interview like this with one impact of question.

And that is, you're an entrepreneur, you work for somebody else and went on your own if

there was a lesson or something you want every startup entrepreneur to know right that

first year or just plan on and jumping in what would that lesson be? My suggestion for anybody that's going to take that jump from being a

technician,

master salesman or a master salesman

or a master marketer because that is the hardest thing in raising a business from

ground zero is either having a person that's capable of making the sales to convert traffic or having a

person that can bring in good enough traffic that converts itself. I could not

agree more in such a brilliant lesson that's That's actually part of how our stories end up crossing each other, right?

And I know what we've discussed is, like, Curtis, you and I have had a chance to meet each other face to face and we're laughing right maybe

three maybe four years ago that we remember in Salt Lake City Utah back then.

It was back in my custom clothing days and you and I were both at different points in our life.

I certainly was it.

Trying to dig my way out of a hole, basically, myself,

fiscally, and get my ship corrected.

Love where I was doing, but a much different time in my life. What were you

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