The This is 15 minutes of freedom.

I'm your host Ryan, I don't today.

The man responsible for my directory response I guess

history I'll call my mentor a friend someone that I have an incredible amount of

respect for Vinny Fisher. Vinny thanks for being on the show my man.

Well, why you thanks for having me, but.

Yeah, and it's been fascinating.

We've spent the past 45 minutes on I'm looking out on the clock catching up prior to this

because I'm realizing what a poor job I've done of just staying in touch, which inevitably is kind of one of the bains of my existence in our entire relationship, right?

Like, let's be honest, you handed over the keys to the castle to a hosting company and I did everything good to push you away back then

You know Luke Skywalker wanted to prove to tell obiwan that you know he can do it and and I don't know that that's necessarily two

Jedi's talking but I think the analogy doesn't break down you want to go do it right

and when you're around another growth-minded person,

you know, I know what I am.

I show you an example of like you see a lot of what you want to do.

So you want to break out parent-child relationship.

And I think we can mature, we can look and say with reflection like it's busy.

Holy crap.

I grew up as a kid like you who had some brokenness, didn have a lot of mentoring so because of a chip on the

shoulder you want to just you almost forget you just go do it yourself and your natural

habit isn't to look around and have guidance from the Titans before you and

it's supposed to be that it's the habit that got us in the initial part of our relationship.

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