Ep 115: Who killed Lollie Winans and Julie Williams? with Kathryn Miles, Part 1

Crime Analyst

Laura Richards

True Crime

4.9 • 2.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2023

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Laura interviews award winning investigative journalist, author and outdoors expert Kathryn Miles about her re-investigation into the double murder of Lollie Winans and Julie Williams, which is detailed in her book Trailed: One Woman’s Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders. In May 1996, Lollie Winans and Julie Williams, two skilled and competent backcountry leaders, entered Virginia’s Shenandoah National Park for a week-long camping trip. The free-spirited and remarkable young couple had met and fallen in love the previous summer while working at a world-renowned outdoor program for women. Lollie and Julie pitched their tent in a beautiful and remote location close to the river. They were brutally murdered, and their bodies were discovered in their sleeping bags. Their tent had been slashed open and there was some unusual crime scene behaviour as well as paraphernalia left at the crime scene. Their beloved dog, Taj, was also missing. Why were Lollie and Julie targeted? Were they being stalked? When were they killed? How many other murders had occurred in the park? And Virginia? Was this a serial killer? In this episode Laura and Kathryn discuss the victimology, the location and geography, the timeline, the motive and the crime scene in graphic detail. Listener discretion is advised. #LollieWinans #JulieWilliams #Stalking #PredatoryStalker #Trailed #KathyrnMiles #Misogyny #WomenMatter #TheShenandoahMurders #Virginia #VictimBlaming #LanguageMatters #CrimeAnalyst #Expert #Analysis #BehavioralAnalysis #TrueCrime #Podcast #Crime Clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCKxiE26_o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G930dH0VbL8 Kathryn’s Book https://www.amazon.com/Trailed-Womans-Quest-Shenandoah-Murders/dp/1616209097 Information about the DASH, Coercive Control and Train the Trainer Masterclasses with Laura https://shoutout.wix.com/so/eeOI-OpnS?languageTag=en Subscribe to Laura’s NEW Crime Analyst YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCksfRSwfwFqUCjcxKYju6_Q Crime Analyst Merch https://crime-analyst.myshopify.com/ Leave a Review If you want to support my work and Crime Analyst and if you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5-star review here: https://www.crime-analyst.com/reviews/new/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	How are you? A cool calm day in the visitors are coming in
0:04.5	droves to enjoy the scenery and hike the backwoods trails of the Shenandoah
0:08.0	National Park. The same trails that 24-year-old Julianne Williams and 26-year-old
0:13.4	Lollie Wynan's had come here to travel. They were last seen alive on May 24th.
0:18.7	Their bodies were found eight days later. Rangers are still posted at the path
0:23.0	leading up to the crime scene, but there are other Rangers out there walking the
0:26.7	Appalachian Trail, talking to hikers about what they might have seen these last few
0:30.8	weeks. Investigators are following many leads for
0:34.1	forensic evidence, though, is the backbone of such cases, flags marked where
0:37.7	possible clues have been found. Logbooks like this one have been taken out of the
0:42.2	shelters where the women may have stopped. Park police are reviewing any
0:46.0	parking or speeding tickets written in the past few weeks. And while officials
0:49.8	say this is an isolated incident, hikers now aren't taking any chances.
0:53.5	Filling out their backcountry permits, it was this clue that led
0:57.0	Rangers to the victims. And the permit then gave us an idea of about when they
1:04.0	would be in the park and their approximate location. So that is one reason that
1:10.3	we they were found so quickly. The husband is saying he's not sure we should go
1:14.5	hiking by ourselves tomorrow. And I'm saying we'll put both locks on the
1:18.8	cabin door tonight. Jean and Tom McCartle come down from Maryland to the
1:22.7	Shenandoah National Park several times a year. They were shocked to hear that
1:26.8	two women were discovered dead here on Saturday. It's the first time I've ever
1:31.3	heard of a crime up here a little. I murdered the women were found in a camp
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