Ep 116: Who Killed Lollie Winans and Julie Williams? Part 2

Crime Analyst

Laura Richards

True Crime

4.9 • 2.8K Ratings

🗓️ 14 February 2023

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Laura continues her interview with award winning investigative journalist, author and outdoors expert Kathryn Miles about her re-investigation into the double murder of Lollie Winans and Julie Williams, which is detailed in her book Trailed: One Woman’s Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders. Laura and Kathryn discuss the investigation, including the delay processing the crime scene, key forensics that were destroyed and what remains as well as other potential cases that might be linked including Alicia Showalter Reynolds, Anne McDaniel, Sofia Silva, Kristin and Kati Lisk, Thelma Scroggins and the double murder of Cathy Thomas and Becky Dowski. Content warning: Laura and Kathryn discuss the crime scenes in graphic detail as it holds a mirror up to the killer. Listener discretion is advised. N.B. this series was recorded before serial rapist and former Metropolitan police officer David Carrick was given 36 life sentences. Carrick eventually pleaded guilty to 49 charges against 12 women - some of those covered multiple incidents and comprised 85 offences, including 48 rapes. #LollieWinans #JulieWilliams #Trailed #KathyrnMiles #Misogyny #WomenMatter #TheShenandoahMurders #Virginia #VictimBlaming #LanguageMatters #CrimeAnalyst #Expert #Analysis #TrueCrime #Podcast #Crime Clips https://www.wusa9.com/article/features/producers-picks/dna-in-fbi-evidence-locker-might-solve-shenandoah-national-park-murders-julie-williams-lollie-winans/65-d4ecdc98-ed85-4626-b242-c35f5d6d938e Kathryn’s Book https://www.amazon.com/Trailed-Womans-Quest-Shenandoah-Murders/dp/1616209097 Information about the DASH, Coercive Control and Train the Trainer Masterclasses with Laura https://shoutout.wix.com/so/eeOI-OpnS?languageTag=en Subscribe to Crime Analyst You Tube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCksfRSwfwFqUCjcxKYju6_Q Crime Analyst Merch https://crime-analyst.myshopify.com/ Leave a Review Support Laura’s work and Crime Analyst by leaving a 5-star review here: https://www.crime-analyst.com/reviews/new/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	26 years after two hikers were viciously murdered in the Shenandoah National Park.
0:06.0	A new book is examining the case and its focus on one man.
0:10.0	Julie Williams and Lolli Wyneins were found dead in their campsite near Skyland back in June of 1996.
0:18.0	The case has never been solved.
0:20.0	News Force Paul Wagner has the story.
0:23.0	The murders of Julie Williams and Lolli Wyneins is a deeply puzzling case.
0:28.0	The two were found in their campsite, their throat slashed.
0:31.0	At one point in 2002, the FBI said they had their man and filed charges against Darryl Rice.
0:38.0	But two years later, those charges were dropped after DNA failed to link Rice to the crime.
0:43.0	Rice became a suspect after he was found guilty of attacking a woman in the park.
0:48.0	In a new book titled Trailed, Journalist Catherine Miles examines virtually every aspect of the case against Rice and comes away perplexed.
0:57.0	The only evidence that the FBI has ever been able to really pin on Rice is this very short one-minute phone call that he made to an LGBTQ support group in California.
1:11.0	His team claims that that was a misdial on his part that he was trying to call the grateful dead hotline.
1:18.0	But that is literally the only thing.
1:21.0	A reference to that center's director was found in Julie Williams' journal.
1:26.0	In her book Miles Wright, the FBI should take a much closer look at Richard Markovonets,
1:31.0	who investigators say killed the list's sisters in Spotsylvania County in 1997.
1:37.0	Miles says hairs found at the Shenandoah crime scene were compared against Darryl Rice and Ivonets.
1:43.0	They tested them once. They ran it against both Darryl Rice and Markovonets.
1:48.0	At that time, the FBI lab ruled out Darryl Rice as the source of the hairs.
1:54.0	At that time, the FBI lab also determined that it could not rule out Ivonets because Ivonets matched in 799 out of 800 places in the DNA.
2:06.0	But Miles says she can find no evidence in her reporting the FBI followed up.
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