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Everyday Wellness with Cynthia Thurlow ™

Ep. 451 Secrets of Adulthood: Truths for Major Life Transitions with Gretchen Rubin

Everyday Wellness with Cynthia Thurlow ™

Cynthia Thurlow

Alternative Health, Nutrition, Science, Life Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

I am delighted to connect with Gretchen Rubin today. She is one of the most insightful and influential observers of happiness and human nature today, with a remarkable gift for clearly conveying complex ideas from science, literature, and her life experiences engagingly, with a lighthearted touch. Gretchen has written many bestselling books, including her latest, Secrets of Adulthood.  In our conversation today, we explore the open-door metaphor and the concept of drift in Secrets of Adulthood, and Gretchen explains how the proverbs she used in it can help us shape our most significant life choices.  You will love this invaluable conversation with Gretchen Rubin. She is one of my favorite podcast hosts and authors, with a remarkable talent for conveying information and emotion beautifully and thoughtfully. IN THIS EPISODE YOU WILL LEARN: Gretchen shares her open door metaphor and explains why she likes to use the term open door instead of empty nest How the concept of drift has tied into Gretchen’s career Gretchen describes her writing process How her legal training helped her as a writer How writing Secrets of Adulthood helped Gretchen clarify her thinking and understand the paradoxes in human nature Why procrastination can be good or bad and how delaying decisions may lead to worse outcomes Why regret is often unavoidable when making tough decisions Gretchen highlights the value of embracing risk Some different ways to approach desire The difference between moderation and abstinence Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Gretchen Rubin On her website On all social media: @GretchenRubin The Happier with Gretchen Rubin podcast

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0:00.0

Welcome to Everyday Wellness Podcast.

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I'm your host, nurse practitioner, Cynthia Thurlow.

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This podcast is designed to educate, empower, and inspire you to achieve your health and wellness goals.

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My goal and intent is to provide you with the best content and conversations from leaders in the health and wellness industry each week and

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impact over a million lives.

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Today, I'm the honor of connecting with Gretchen Rubin.

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She is one of today's most influential and thought-provoking observers of happiness and human nature.

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She's known for her ability to convey complex ideas from science to literature to stories

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from her own life with levity and clarity.

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She's the author of multiple bestselling books and most recently the book Secrets of Adulthood.

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Today we spoke about the open door metaphor, the concept of drift,

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secrets of adulthood, including proverbs on choosing the bigger life, tough decisions, desire,

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and more. I know you will find this to be an invaluable conversation. Gretchen is one of my

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favorite podcast to listen to as well as author. She has a beautiful

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ability to convey information and emotion in a way that is incredibly beautiful and thoughtful.

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You know, when I was reflecting on our discussion today, there's something that you mentioned, the open door metaphor, which

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so connected with me and was such a beautiful way to honor the transition, transitional period

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that you and your husband are in with your daughters leaving home.

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I really love to start the conversation there today because it allowed me to think about this bittersweet time period in

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our lives when we're launching our children and to think about it not from a place of scarcity,

1:51.3

but to look at it from a place of abundance and you do such a beautiful job with this metaphor.

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I'd love to introduce this concept if my listeners are perhaps unfamiliar with it.

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