Hey, pioneers, welcome to episode number 459.

Today, we are coming back to the topic of decluttering and organizing.

Now, I don't know about you, but I have done many decluttering and many organization processes,

and I always have to come back to those areas of my house and do them again.

And I shared this in a recent YouTube video where we were going through kitchen organization,

but it is incredibly freeing to realize that that is normal.

I had this false dichotomy in my head that if I actually decluttered and organized the right way,

which I could never seem to figure out what the right way was, that I would

somehow reach this magical pinnacle that my house would always be organized. And it would

always be decluttered forevermore. And I would never have to touch it again. And I realize now that

that's kind of silly, but perhaps you were like me at one point. And perhaps

you're like, no, sis, I always knew that wasn't the case. Well, that was an area I was a little

slow on because I would get very frustrated with myself and sometimes with family members,

but usually honestly myself, that I'm like, I have put so much work into decluttering and organizing, and the house never

stays perfect or even stays really at the level that I necessarily want it to be.

So I'm really excited for today's conversation and the interview that I did with Dana

because it really paints a different

picture. And I have to tell you that I had some epiphanies during this interview and have already

went and been able to put them into place and I've already seen a difference in the house.

But it really was the way that I was viewing things. And I'm really excited for you

to dive into this because, while it might not seem super, super home steady, we all have homes and

we all have stuff. And homesteaders, you'll hear me talk about this in the interview with Dana,

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