Hi, James.

Ben, how are you?

I'm good. I think the audience is wondering, how are you?

This is the third or fourth post-Burning Man podcast.

This is number four, actually.

I started this not long after I moved out to California.

There are enough people out here that were going that made me curious that that's when it all started.

Yeah, so if I might jump in, like, the first post-Burning Man podcast is one of the all-time

great exponent podcasts. So we will put a link in the show notes. If you're a relatively new listener,

one, like, you should go back and listen to all the podcasts because, of course, they're amazing.

No, but we self-reference a lot, so it's useful.

But two, this podcast in particular is a good one.

It was a lot of fun.

And I remember you talking to me after the second Burning Man, or actually before the

second Burning Man, saying something like, I wonder whether it's going to be as good as the first one,

because the first time you have one of these experiences,

it's obviously you have no frame of reference.

And then the second time, it's going to be much more different.

And the way I describe it to people is the first time you jump out of a plane

is the first time you jump out of a plane.

But after you've done it

a hundred times, it starts to become a little bit more normal. And I think the second year,

...