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Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman, and I'm here with my friend Mark Devere, who's the pastor of the Capitol

Hill Baptist Church in Washington, D.C.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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building healthy churches learn more.

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That's it.

And he shows up.

Thanks for coming, Mark.

Thanks for having me.

To your own show, your own podcast, whatever this is.

And with us, we have a special friend,

the founding executive director of Nine Marks, Matt Schmucker. Matt also helps Mark out with T4G.

He served, what, 10 and a half years or so on and off as an elder at Capitol Hill Baptist Church.

He's also served as an elder at Anacostia River Church and has lots of experience of the topic of today, which is, what do we do when elders disagree?

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