And so if a person has a more healthy family system, then it can actually mitigate a lot of the spiritual trauma that is possible within a particular religious community that maybe has some unhealthy traits. If a religious system is more healthy and you're in a family with some unhealthy traits, then that can also be a mitigating factor.

But when there is a lot of enmeshed between the religious system and the family system, it becomes really, really hard to disentangle.

Hi, I'm Susan Hinckley.

And I'm Cynthia Wynward.

And this is at last she said it.

We are Women of Faith discussing complicated things.

And the title of today's episode is, what about

religious trauma? I'm excited to have this conversation because I don't have that much knowledge about religious trauma except I think I might have

some religious trauma Cynthia.

Me too.

We invited someone to join us today who does know a little more about it than we do and that is

Jana Spangler. Jana welcome to the podcast. Thank you thank you for having me I'm

excited to be here. We're always excited to have a conversation with you.

Can you tell our listeners just a little bit about yourself,

whatever you'd like them to know?

Sure.

So I am a professional integral life coach.

I work with symmetry solutions.

And we're a group of therapists and now me, I'm the only coach there right now.

We specialize in working with people who are going through a

faith transition, mixed-faith marriage, or people who are loved ones, so people who are going through a

faith transition. I do see people for other things, for career and other other issues, but definitely my bread and butter comes from people who are

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