Episode 18: On Conversion

Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks

9Marks

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 698 Ratings

🗓️ 13 June 2017

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

In a few weeks, we’re releasing a new book, Conversion: How God Creates a People, in which Michael Lawrence makes the case that one’s doctrine of conversion has massive effects on one’s philosophy of ministry. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about this connection.

SHOW NOTES:

– What’s this new book Conversion about? Why is conversion one of the nine marks? (1:55)

– How does conversion affect one’s philosophy of ministry and even preaching style? (5:30)

– Do liberal Christians have a doctrine of conversion? Same-sex affirming churches? (7:10)

– How does Genesis 3 inform our doctrine of conversion? (9:00)

– Is the doctrine of conversion going to become more and more offensive? (14:40)

– Biblically speaking, what is conversion? (15:40)

– Does “belonging before believing” undermine a biblical doctrine of conversion? Open communion? Spontaneous baptisms? (17:20)

– How does a biblical doctrine of conversion affect a pastor’s preaching? (20:00)

– How is church discipline an implication of the doctrine of conversion? (23:00)

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.
0:07.4	And I'm Mark Devere.
0:08.6	And welcome to this episode of Pastors Talk.
0:11.2	Brought to you by Nine Marks.
0:13.1	Nine Marks exist to equip church leaders with biblical vision and practical resources for building
0:17.6	healthy churches.
0:18.5	Learn more at nine marks.org.
0:20.7	Why do we call this pastor's talking? Why don't we call it elders talk?
0:23.6	You know, somebody suggested that, and I hope that elders who are not staff pastors
0:28.5	recognize that this is for them too.
0:31.6	Well, I hope that too, but how are they supposed to know that from the title if they're just
0:34.1	looking down their iTunes?
0:35.2	Yeah, that's a good question. Well, because they should know that they are pastors. Well, that's true. A lot of them kind of don't know.
0:41.5	Yeah, I think that's true. Should we change the name? I don't think so, but... I feel divided. I feel
0:47.1	split. Yeah, I am too. What do you think? So brothers, just tweet in or email us or let us know what you think. If you're listening to this and you're...
0:55.1	I mean, we have just, you know, lay brothers and sisters who listen to this
0:58.6	who aren't serving as elders, and they tell us they appreciate it.
1:01.1	But we're aiming it at pastors.
1:02.6	Yeah, that's right.
1:03.2	And others.
1:03.6	Yeah, it's certainly in elders.
1:04.8	So just let us know what you think on this.
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