Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

Yes, good to be here tonight.

Thank you.

Washington, D.C.

And I'm Mark Devere. Calm down, Jonathan.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Mark's Pastors Talk.

I guess, thank you. How did you get all these people in here, Jonathan. And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks, Pastors Talk. I guess, thank you.

How did you get all these people in here, Jonathan?

Well, sound effects are fun.

I don't know what you're talking about.

And please edit out him saying sound effects.

And Nine Marks exists, believe it or not, in spite of that intro, to help pastors build healthy churches.

And you can learn more about us at 9 Marks.

You know what I always say about that?

There's no shortcut to success.

When you want to see a church being healthy, there is no shortcut to success.

Man, that is a smooth transition.

We're looking at a new 9 Mark's book called.

Why do you have to throw these things into the bus? Why don't you just go with it rather

than calling attention to it? No. Sound effects. Short cut. Come on, man.

Hey, here's the notes. You leave. You go. No, no, no, no, no. You're so gifted at this.

I'm just hoping. No short to success. A manifesto for modern missions by our special guest, Matt Rhodes.

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