Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

And it really is.

I've seen him before, and this is that man.

Still me.

And it's time for church talk.

Pastors talk.

When we think about what we do as pastors in churches.

Well, right, Reverend Devere. I'd like to talk to you today about seriousness.

What folks do when they're leaving a church and what a church is doing when they leave a church

and think through a few case studies for how you handle that.

Like if somebody is going here for this reason, there, for that reason, what do we say?

What do we do?

We're about as nuts and bolts as we can be in.

We had a members meeting seven, no, nine days ago in which we had eight members leave our congregation

for other local churches.

In town.

Not local churches as a category,

but like local local. Yeah, I mean, maybe across the river, but yeah, in D.C. So what we're

getting at is a larger principle of membership, but also kind of the question of what is it

you're doing when you're leaving and what is the church doing when it's saying, I, nay,

in response to that decision to leave, that's what I want to think about. What are the

different ways to leave a church? Let's just lay those out. Big picture, you can leave by

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