Episode 208: Patriarchy 101 | A Conversation with Amy McPhie Allebest

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Latter-day Saints have a complicated relationship with the word patriarchy. We reverence it, including variations in some of our highest callings and ordinances, yet many members won’t touch it in a discussion of women’s rights or organizational equality. So how can we have meaningful conversations about it with other Church members? Amy McPhie Allebest says, “There are two ways to try to reach people’s hearts and minds to say, ‘I’m serious, this is a problem.’ One is through facts, and one is through feelings.” In Episode 208, Amy joins Cynthia and Susan to explore both in a discussion aimed at preparing listeners to have hard conversations in effective ways.

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0:00.0	Men don't just have easy lives.
0:07.6	And I'll say like they don't.
0:10.0	That's true.
0:11.7	Men do not just have easy or easy lives and women have hard lives because of patriarchy.
0:16.9	Men have all kinds of hardship in their in their lives. It also doesn't mean that all men have positions of power or leadership.
0:25.9	And you can even see this in the church, right?
0:27.7	Like the leadership structure of patriarchy always is a small group of men
0:32.9	who have authority over all the other men for various reasons.
0:38.3	Men are excluded from that position, from positions of leadership for many reasons,
0:42.6	but it excludes all women because they are women.
0:50.4	Hello, I am Cynthia Winward.
0:52.8	And I'm Susan Hinkley.
0:54.5	And this is at last she said it.
0:56.4	We are Women of Faith discussing complicated things.
0:59.0	And the title of today's episode is Patriarchy 101, A Conversation with Amy McPhee Allabest.
1:07.4	Welcome, Amy.
1:08.7	Hi, Amy.
1:09.9	Hey, I'm so excited to be here.
1:12.2	Oh, we are so excited to have you today.
1:15.3	I'm in about time, right, Cynthia?
1:17.5	Right.
1:18.2	How is it our podcasty paths have not crossed yet when our topics cross paths all the time, I feel like.
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