Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

And I'm Mark Depp.

And welcome once again to an episode of Nine Marks Pasture Talk.

Nine Marks exist to help pastors build healthy churches.

Glorify God.

In local churches.

Rhythm and rhyme. And so I'm here with Mark in American Baptist who likes history. Yeah. Glorify God. In rhythm and rhyme.

And so I'm here with Mark, an American Baptist who likes history.

Yep.

And I'm here with Ligin Duncan, an American Presbyterian who likes college football.

And history.

Yeah.

And history.

And I'm here with Simon Gathercol, a British Baptist who likes what?

Most of the ancient history, actually.

Classics.

Classics. Well, this is not a conversation about history, guys. You don't know how

I'll have to prove your historical bona fides. But we thought it was an opportunity to have a unique

conversation. And Jonathan, you're an American Baptist who likes politics. A plural philosophy.

Sure. That would be my area of study. That's right. That's right. Liggin, you're, you're getting to be almost a regular in the Nine Marks, Pastors Talk world. We had you a few episodes ago talking about the banner of truth stuff. That was fine. I've seen that circulate in a number of places. I'm trying to convince him to send his son to Capitol Baptist Church to do the internship here as a special exception Presbyterian intern. Which would be wonderfully edifying.

We have Presbyterians.

We have, Max Menford.

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