Part of that too is, you know, we've been given a box as women that we can fit into.

You know, we talk about breaking the God box open, but let's break the woman box open too.

You know, we don't have to fit into and do things a certain way because that's what's been prescribed to us.

But we have millions of possibilities

of ways that we can influence and change in and out of the church, like you're all saying. So we

need to break open that woman box. Hello, I'm Cynthia Winward. And I'm Susan Hinkley.

And this is at last she said it.

We are women of faith discussing complicated things.

And the title of today's episode is ChangeMakers, a conversation with MacArthur Krishna and Anne Pimentel.

Welcome, friends.

Hi, friends. Thank you. So glad to have you both with us here.

Our topic for today is their new book, Changemakers, Women Who Boldly Built Zion. They can speak more to

that to its release day and all the goodies in a minute. But before we jump into

talking about that, MacArthur, would you want to give us like a one-minute bio, introduce yourself

and then Anne? Sure. I'm delighted to be here. I think you guys have really important conversations,

and I always appreciate when people are willing to look something head-on. So I'm really

honored to be here and

appreciate your work. I have been writing books and working for lifting women of our church

are about 15 years now. So it is ongoing. Anne, what about you? We know who Anne is. She was on episode 192. She shared about her own faith journey,

but go ahead, Anne, for those who don't know you. Yeah, I feel like I'm a little baby compared to

MacArthur in how long I've been in this conversation. But I am passionate about uplifting voices of marginalized people and helping women feel empowered.

And I'm really grateful to be here again and to share my thoughts and perspectives.

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