So it makes sense that our culture rewards the qualities that are exhibited by the leaders of that culture.

And as we know, Latter-day Saints are very fond of thinking, you know, if you're doing it right, then you get this result.

And so if church is really hard for you, clearly there's

something that you're not doing right. Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley. And I am Cynthia Winward.

And this is at last she said it. We are women of faith discussing complicated things. And the title of today's episode is Introverts in an Extroverts Church.

We're excited for this one.

Yay, at last.

The irony, Susan, is that you as the introvert should do all the talking on this episode.

But as an introvert, you may not want to, but you're going to have to because I'm just

going to sit back with a bucket of popcorn.

If you think that I'm going to let you get away with that, introverts have sneaky ways,

you know, of working the system in our favor.

So we'll see how it goes.

Before we jump in, Susan, let's talk about the most important thing going on in our lives right now, which is we wrote a book.

That's the thing.

Well, I'm not sure if it's the most important, but it's taken over everything

else. Time-wise. Tell you that, yes. So tell our, tell our listeners a little bit about it and about

our book is called No Surprise. At last, she said it, honest conversations about faith, church,

and everything in between. It is paperback. It is available April 28, 2025.

I feel like making that more like in the year of our Lord, 2025, because it feels that monumental to me.

Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

And it's 270 pages, so paperback, e-reader,

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