Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

This is Mark Devere.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Passers Talk.

Nine Marks exist to help pastors build healthy churches.

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Or if you want to give, go to nine marks.org.

Jonathan, is it true that this ministry is not a for-profit ministry?

That's very correct. So it is supported by individuals and churches? Mostly. To some extent,

there's a few other places, but yeah. How would a church financially support Nine Marks? And where is that

in your budget? It's not a salary. No, that's right. We encourage churches to think about using their missions budget to that end.

And so far as a lot of what we do is around the world and building healthy churches. And what is

missions, but churches planning churches across borders.

Instead of sending their money to get the gospel to someplace in New Guinea, send it to D.C.

So we can pay for book reviews to be written?

I'd like to say, it's all part of the Great Commission, and you want to do both.

All right. I actually think there's a good argument for supporting it from Great Commission kind of funding,

because a lot of what we do is overseas, and what we do, we try to strengthen to strengthen the local church and if a church becomes healthy it will be a mission sending and mission

supporting church.

I was listening to somebody described various culture war things going on and it was in the

context of the Christmas party, the nine marks kind of interview we do with our volunteers

and so forth and you were reading some encouraging email that some pastor had sent to us saying, hey, thanks to you guys, I've learned

to think about membership and discipline and polity and elder-led congregationalism. And I thought to

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