The So, I am thrilled to be joined on bad faith,

by Natasha Leonard. Now Natasha is a columnist for The

Intercept. She's also written for The Nation Book Form and the New York Times, among others.

She's also the Associate Director of the Creating Publishing

and Critical Journalism Graduate Program

at the New School for Social Research in New York

and the author of Being Numerous Essays on Non-Fascist Life.

Welcome to the Paw Natasha.

Hey, thank you so much.

Very happy to be here.

Well, look, the reason I reached out is because you wrote this great piece last month called

Pro Israel Advocates are weaponizing safety on college campuses and you get into the

question of safetyism whether or not the left kind of jumped the shark by opening the door to this

safetyist critique, whether or not there's a substantive difference between what has been described

as safetyism by the right when they make criticisms of snowflake leftist

versus the way that pro-Israel students on these elite college campuses and

beyond have been weaponizing the idea of safetyism to basically suppress pro-Palestinian

speech on campus and I'd like to work through a lot of that with you but first

lay out for me what is going on on university campuses?

Particularly Columbia's campus seems to be a hotbed

for this sort of thing?

Yes, we are seeing this across the nation,

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