Welcome to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler.

My guest on today's podcast is my friend Liz McDonald.

Welcome to the podcast, Liz.

Thanks so much. I'm happy to be here.

And for some of you that know the name Liz McDonald, this is not the Liz McDonald that's in Mesa, Arizona, wife to Eric McDonald, our great ally parents. This is a different Liz McDonald, an equally wonderful woman, just wanted, that lives in Utah. So I just wanted our listeners to be clear. We've had Liz McDonald and

Eric on the podcast earlier. We're going to talk in this podcast about the research that Liz did

at Utah Valley University, just working to bridge the gap between active LDS parents and young

adults that have separated themselves from the church.

This is a podcast to just try to find common ground that Liz is doing to keep the family

circled together even when there's differences in religion.

Is that a fair introduction?

Yeah, that's great.

So Liz will give us a little bit of her background.

That'll be one section of the podcast. We'll get into the research and also hopes for the

outcome. But the goal of this podcast isn't really to bring people that have left the church

back to the church or invite people in the church to leave. The goal of this podcast is just like Elder Cook suggested

diversity, unity and diversity. So there's great diversity in LDS families. Some families have

every member of their family that believes. And some families, which may be the majority, once children

are in their 20s and 30s,

have some children that have perhaps stepped away.

And that can be difficult, obviously, for LDS parents.

And so the work that Liz is doing and the things we're going to talk about is,

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