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🗓️ 2 January 2025
⏱️ 95 minutes
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This week Brie is joined by a stacked panel of journalists -- Irami Osei-Frimpong, Q Anthony Ali, & Zaid Jilani -- to discuss the new divide on the right that emerged after Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy defended the use of H1-B visas to import labor from India for tech jobs. Conservative opponents of these visa recipients find themselves making populist arguments decrying the downward pressure on American wages and the competitive disadvantage college debt causes for American workers. But at the same time, they engage in racist anti-Indian stereotyping. Are Elon and Vivek right about American culture making workers too apathetic and less competitive? Do Americans suffer from watching too much Saved by the Bell and not enough Whiplash (a real argument made by Vivek)? And does this discourse provide an opportunity for the left to provide a material anaysis that could start to draw right populists to the left?
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0:00.0 | This is a violation of our social contract. |
0:03.4 | And it sounds good. |
0:04.4 | Let's just let more H-1B workers in. |
0:06.2 | But what about the 23-year-old that went to University of Washington and studied computer science at the UW computer science department? |
0:16.1 | Shouldn't he be given preference above someone who could do the work for far less? |
0:20.7 | It is about priorities. And it's not about what Charlie Kirk wants. It's not about what |
0:24.7 | other people want out there. And I have friends on both side of this debate. It's very simple. |
0:28.8 | It's what the American people wanted. And the American people overwhelmingly voted |
0:32.9 | for less immigration and the prioritization of the American children and the American worker, not the American oligar. What a treat to have all of you three assembled to talk about Elon Musk's crash out. |
1:20.1 | Zed Jelani, returning longtime favorite of the show. |
1:23.2 | My former colleague at The Intercept and Independent Journalist, welcome back. |
1:27.0 | Irami Ose Fremong,. Welcome back. I Ramei Ose |
1:27.7 | Frempong, another recurring favorite. I mean, what's the status of your PhD program now? |
1:33.5 | I realize I haven't checked in with you for a while. I am ABD. I'm still writing. Yes, yes. |
1:40.4 | Okay, wonderful. I come from a family that with a matriarch who celebrates her ABD status from 1980, who knows what. And she loves to talk about how you don't actually have to finish your PhD, L.O.L. And Q, welcome back. We have a stacked roster of favorites. Q, how are you identifying yourself in these internet streets these days? I'm independent journalist. |
2:01.6 | I have been enacted for a little while just as I'm recovering from an injury that you might have heard about a little bit ago. |
2:06.6 | But I'm good, I'm good. |
2:07.6 | I'm actually up and walking again and undergoing physio. |
2:10.6 | But I'll be back writing in the new year. |
2:13.6 | Okay, good. I'm glad to hear it. |
2:15.6 | I realize as I introduced you all, this is a weirdly alphabetical group of people between Z, I, Remy, and Q. |
2:24.3 | A and then B, yeah. |
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