Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

I'm Mark Devere.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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Jonathan, today we're going to talk about a book that you have that's just come out this week.

It's called How the Nations Rage.

And I guess we once again have cameras.

I hope this is not like a new trend.

Hello, everybody.

This is a trend for whenever we talk about books.

I'm going to have to comb my hair and shave if I know we're doing these things.

I don't need to.

I don't need to. Like this. I don't need to. You do have advantages.

You have come out with this book on a topic I know you've always been interested in,

which is kind of like religion and politics stuff.

Yep.

But you've come out with it in the year 2018, which I'll just say as somebody who lives

here in our nation's capital, we have had a

couple of years of turmoil inside of Bible-believing churches in no small part because of the

campaign and the election of Donald Trump.

Yeah, right.

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