Hi, I'm Johnson Lehman.

And I'm Mark Devere.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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I think your tone sounds indifferent today, John.

So now you're judging my tone?

Well, I'm now, like it's new.

You're going to make fun of my clothes next?

No, I think you're good, man.

But I'm just, you don't sound that interested in our topic.

I am excited about this topic because I have found that

it is a remarkable tool for

equipping the saints for the work of the menaces.

Then why didn't you ever come except when you were teaching?

That's not entirely true.

Help me understand entirely. The word

entirely. We're talking about

Sunday school slash, as we call

as you call them at CPRECC, course seminars.

Yeah.

Did you have course seminars when you showed up in the church?

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