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Episode 789: Ben Higinbotham, Non-Binary Gay Latter-day Saint

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2024

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

My friend Ben Higinbotham (mid-30s, BYU grad, non-binary, gay, active LDS, RM, they/he/she) joins us to share their story of self-acceptance and personal growth. Ben talks about their lifelong journey on this road of being gay and not feeling like they fit as a girl—including personal revelation, coming out to others, their strong relationship with God and finding peace/hope in their life. Ben also talks about shame—and how rather than curing them of their queerness, God is curing them of their shame. They talk about using the new name of Ben—including the backstory of the importance of that name. Ben talks about how being gay and/or non-binary is not a sin—but transitioning (even social transitioning) removes some church privileges, which can be difficult. Ben talks about how they are navigating that road and still participating in the Church. Ben loves Jesus and is trying to be more like Him—they strongly believe that it is possible to be both queer and Christian. Ben shares their love and musical testimony of Jesus through their arrangement of the hymn Amazing Grace. Thank you, Ben, for being on the podcast. I was so impressed with your spiritual maturity, deep acceptance, and love for all people. I loved hearing some of the personal revelation you are receiving included how much God loves all his children. Thank you for the courage to share your story and help us better create Zion. You are awesome and our church community is better with you part of it. Links where people can find connection with LGBTQ+ people and allies: https://www.liftandlove.org https://www.liftandlove.org/gatherings

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0:00.0

Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

0:09.5

My guest on today's podcast is my new friend Ben Higginbotham.

0:15.6

Did I say your name right, Ben?

0:17.8

Yes, Higginbotham.

0:19.3

We didn't practice that before we went live.

0:22.0

So, H-I-G-I-N-B-O-T-H-A-M, and grateful to have Ben on the podcast.

0:30.0

Ben goes by the pronouns, they, them.

0:33.0

And so by inference, we're talking to somebody who's non-binary and in Ben's case gay.

0:39.4

So I'm going to do my best to use they-them pronouns.

0:43.0

Ben is okay with he, him, and even okay with she or her if she has, if they have to.

0:50.6

And I think Ben will talk more about that.

0:53.9

Ben is a BYU graduate from the music program.

0:58.0

Ben is in their mid-30s.

1:00.0

Ben works at a local printer.

1:03.0

Ben lives in Utah County.

1:06.0

Ben was in the Navu as a missionary in the Navu pageant,

1:10.0

something our family had the chance to do

1:12.2

maybe 15 years ago as a family.

1:14.7

You were in the band.

1:16.0

And what instrument did you play?

1:18.4

In the brass band, I played the clarinet.

1:21.2

Wow.

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