You know, our Prime Minister is suggesting a sort of Article 5 for Ukraine.

So instead sending boots on the ground, which will be very difficult and very little effective now.

Giving Ukraine an Article 5 status, which means being willing to provide active security measures for Ukraine.

Welcome to Combat Story. I'm Ryan Fugent, and I serve Warzone Tours as an Army attack helicopter pilot and CIA officer over a 15-year career.

I'm fascinated by the experiences of the elite in combat.

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Today we sit down with Roberto Tonzig, a retired Italian army and former government executive with over 40 years of experience in the field of

defense and security spent over two decades steeped in international relations and security affairs.

Most of them spent in challenging positions at various Italian embassies abroad.

In addition to Italian and fantastic English, Roberto also speaks German, French, Serbo-Croatian,

and Russian.

In his post-government work, Roberto is an advisor at Leonardo focused on regional security

for this global defense, security, and aerospace giant.

We connected with Roberto thanks to friend of the Show and a longtime senior intelligence officer

Glenn Korn.

In this episode, we dive into Italy's security organizations and get Roberto's expert

perspectives on Italy and Europe's position in light of the conflict in Russia and Ukraine,

energy security, China, the Mediterranean, and regional stability.

With that, please enjoy this deep dive into all things security related in Europe with Roberto

Tonzig.

Roberto, thank you so much for taking time to sit down with us and chat with us about what's

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