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Combat Story

Wargames for Peace and How to Not be Part of Watergate with Ambassador David Miller

Combat Story

Ryan Fugit

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4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 March 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we sit down with statesman and Ambassador David Miller, who shares his expansive and storied career, starting from his early days surveying economic impacts in Vietnam to his intricate experiences with the National Security Council and various international postings. We’re joined by Glenn Corn, who spent a career, much like Amb Miller, in service to the United States, but on the CIA side of the house and you get to hear what it’s like when Chiefs of Station and Ambassadors truly work together.

Ambassador Miller recounts tales of working closely with influential figures such as Nelson Mandela and Brent Scowcroft, and discusses his involvement in developing the Diplomatic Studies Foundation, which is a fascinating approach that brings wargames to Country Teams with a different outcome: Peace. Miller reflects on the challenges of delivering unvarnished intelligence and narrowly avoiding any involvement in what he could sense was a scandal that was later Watergate! 

Ambassador Miller also helped start the Special Operations Fund which directly supports some of America’s most important families, those of fallen Tier 1 Special Operators, which I know people who listen to this show will appreciate. 

With that, please enjoy this wide ranging and interesting discussion with two very storied leaders and patriots.

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Show Notes:

00:29 Introduction
00:48 Meet Ambassador David Miller
02:20 Early Career and Vietnam Experience
05:22 Insights on Military Intelligence
07:26 Navigating Bureaucratic Challenges
12:16 Watergate and Its Aftermath
15:48 Diplomatic Studies Foundation and Peace Games
21:53 Understanding the Country Team
24:29 Spec Ops Recruiting and Ambassador's Role
26:43 Embassy Dynamics and Teamwork
27:23 Current Affairs: Ukraine and Diplomatic Security
30:10 Special Operations Fund and Personal Stories
33:28 USAID and Development Programs
39:45 Memorable Meetings and Reflections
42:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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0:00.0

There was a time when John Dean asked me if I could set up a safe house for the president.

0:06.0

And even at that tender age, I knew there were people like him who could set up safe houses with their eyes closed.

0:15.0

And so I said, to John, that's crazy.

0:18.0

And John said, well, the president doesn't want them involved in this, which gave me a really fine sense that something was going to go terribly wrong.

0:28.8

Welcome to Combat Story.

0:30.3

I'm Ryan Fuget, and I serve Warzone Tours as an Army attack helicopter pilot and CIA officer over a 15-year career.

0:36.9

I'm fascinated by the experiences of the

0:38.9

elite in combat. On this show, I interview some of the best to understand what combat felt like

0:44.3

on their front lines. This is combat story. In this episode, we sit down with statesmen and

0:49.9

Ambassador David Miller, who shares his expansive and storied career, starting from his early days

0:54.5

surveying economic impacts in Vietnam during the war to his intricate experiences with the

0:59.2

National Security Council and various international postings and ambassadorships.

1:03.3

We're joined, as usual, by Glenn Korn, who spent a career much like Ambassador Miller in

1:08.0

service to the United States but on the CIA side of the House as opposed to the diplomatic. And you get to hear what it's like when chiefs of station

1:14.7

and ambassadors truly work together. Ambassador Miller recounts tales working closely with influential

1:19.7

figures such as Nelson Mandela and Brent Skowcroft and discusses his involvement in developing

1:24.7

the Diplomatic Studies Foundation, which is a fascinating approach

1:27.6

that brings war games to country teams with a different outcome in mind.

1:31.6

Peace. Ambassador Miller reflects on the challenges of delivering unvarnished intel and narrowly

1:36.8

avoiding any involvement in what he could sense was a scandal that was coming and was later

1:42.5

known as Watergate. It's a great story. You're going to love it.

1:45.9

And then Ambassador Miller also helped start the Special Operations Fund, which directly

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