Hey, friends, the Exiles Conference is starting today. It's happening tonight.

Kick off at 6 p.m. here in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I cannot wait for this. If you are in the area and you still want to register, I believe there's still room. It's a big auditorium, so there's still some room if you want to attend live.

But for most of you, it's probably not an option. You can still attend via virtual stream.

Just go to TheologyDraw.com and you can get all the information there.

Or you can or just go down to the show notes.

We have some links down below.

So my guest today is Paul Antleitner, who is a cultural theologian that writes and speak,

who writes and speaks at the intersection on the intersection of

religion, culture, philosophy, and science. He is a host of deep talks, cultural theology with

Paul Antleitner, a podcast featuring long-form discussions with leading voices and lectures on

cultural theology. He is super, super sharp and insightful when it comes to thinking through our current cultural

moment as you'll see.

I really enjoyed this podcast.

I think you will too.

So please welcome to the show for the first time.

The one or only Paul Antleiner.

Let's start with this question.

What is metamodernism?

I saw you talk about this and I was like, what the heck is that?

And then I saw you unpack it.

I was like, this is really brilliant.

So that's why you're here.

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