Hey, friends, the X-Els conference is just a couple days away.

If you are listening to this, the day of release on the 31st of March.

The conference starts this Thursday, March 3rd.

And I'm guessing if you don't live in the Minneapolis area, you're probably not going to run out and buy a plane ticket and fly to Minneapolis.

Therefore, if you're not already registered to attend live, you probably will not be able to, except if you do live in the Minneapolis area, I would highly encourage you to check it out.

But we do have a live stream in option.

So just go to Theologianrod.com and you can see how you can live stream the conference from your living room.

My guest today is Dan White Jr. who's a co-founder of the Caneo Center, which is an intentional place for renewal and healing for weary and burned-out ministry leaders located in Puerto Rico.

If that fits your description, if you feel weary and burned out, I would highly recommend checking out the Caneo Center.

The information is in the show notes.

And also, we do talk about what Dan does through Caneo Center. The information is in the show notes. And also,

we do talk about what Dan does through the Caneo Center during this podcast. Dan is also the author of several books, including Love Over Fear and the co-author of Church as Movement. I always find

Dan to be so insightful and wise and humble when it comes to questions surrounding the intersection of culture,

politics, and the church. He's been on the podcast before, so please welcome back to the show,

the wonder only, Dan White Jr.

Dan White Jr., this is long overdue, man. We were talking for a while offline, and I was like, dude, I think we need to hit record at some point.

Yeah.

Real quick, who are you?

What do you do?

And then let's jump into our conversation.

Dan White, Jr., obviously.

I live in Puerto Rico. I helped start

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