My name is Mark Vesente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, Aval. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group, to societal.

It's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the fuck is on my mind.

Hello everybody and welcome back.

Maybe you never left.

Maybe I never left.

I am today in Lisbon at a podcast studio, in case you're wondering where I am, because sometimes I'm in Liverpool, sometimes I'm in the home.

Today, it's Lisbon.

It's been raining like a mofo the last day and a half.

So, by the way, the weather's been weird here. It's been

very kind of overcast and hazy and like the sky has been red because what happens is the

dust from the Sahara comes across the Mediterranean and sort of hangs in the air for a while.

So last night, the night before it began raining and it was basically red mud everywhere

on all the cars.'s been crazy but today

i'm not alone i have a guest my guest adam g simon is a lot lost it's the g it's the g my

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