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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Growing tensions between Hamas Leaders — with Dr. Matt Levitt

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

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Society, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

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🗓️ 9 January 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

What do Israelis know about the political tensions within Hamas’s leadership? About their decision-makers, their motives, their processes, and Hamas’s internal disagreements and rivalries? Matt Levitt of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and Ehud Yaari of Israel’s Channel 12 news set out to try to answer these questions. Are tensions heating up between Hamas’s internal and and external leaders? Dr. Matthew Levitt. Matt is the director of the Program on Counterterrorism and Intelligence at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He served as deputy assistant secretary for intelligence and analysis at the U.S. Department of the Treasury. During his tenure at Treasury, he played a central role in efforts to protect the U.S. financial system from abuse and to deny terrorists, weapons proliferators, and other rogue actors the ability to finance threats to U.S. national security. He later served as a counterterrorism advisor to the special envoy for Middle East regional security. Previously, Matt was a counterterrorism intelligence analyst at the FBI, where he provided tactical and strategic analytical support for counterterrorism operations, focusing on fundraising and logistical support networks for Middle Eastern terrorist groups. He is the author of several books and monographs, including Hamas: Politics, Charity and Terrorism in the Service of Jihad (Yale University Press, 2006), and Hezbollah: The Global Footprint of Lebanon's Party of God (Georgetown University Press, 2013). He is the host of the podcast series, Breaking Hezbollah's Golden Rule. Washington Institute for Near East Policy paper discussed in this episode: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/growing-internal-tensions-between-hamas-leaders

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0:00.0

Hanu is the overall Secretary General of the group, but Sanoir was the guy running Gaza.

0:04.8

Gaza is where the militants were. Gaza is where the money was coming into.

0:09.2

Gaza in fact was the money machine by virtue of taxing and extorting and running the border

0:14.6

customs and all that and so ultimately Hania left Gaza and really became

0:19.6

part of the outside leadership and now post-October 7th,

0:23.4

Hania and some of his guys are trying to get involved

0:25.7

in the morning after conversations.

0:28.7

He's even had a few people start meeting

0:31.3

with various representatives of the PLO and Fata to talk about what could

0:36.2

happen afterwards when Sinwar found out about this, he apparently went crazy.

0:41.1

You guys in the outside don't get to negotiate what my situation will be here. It is 6 a.m. on Tuesday, January 9th in Israel as Israelis are

1:08.9

getting ready to start their day. Before we get to today's conversation, one housekeeping note, as many of you have let me know,

1:17.2

either directly or via social media, we are well aware that Haviv Rettiguur and I did not release our weekly check-in from Jerusalem on Monday morning.

1:29.0

We actually recorded a conversation in which we wanted to focus on the changing political trends in

1:35.1

Israel post-October 7th. Some of those trends were already in place among certain

1:39.9

demographics and certain groups and voting behaviors and electoral interests

1:44.1

before October 7th but they have been accelerated post-October 7th and we

1:49.1

thought that would be an interesting conversation talking about the Khaledim

1:51.8

the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel the Israeli

1:54.8

Arabs, the Mizrahi base of the Liqueud party, the Ashkenazi elite of Liqueud, and the new

2:00.9

left, which is some version actually of the old Mapai.

2:05.0

In any event, we thought this would be an interesting conversation.

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