These invisible forces seemingly still exist out there and we can't categorize what they

may be and isn't that just like a really awesome way to look at the world too?

Today we're talking to one of our favorite guests and one of my favorite friends, Podcaster

Jim Perry, the host of Ufumat, a paranormal documentary series that explores the unknown

and our relationship to it by talking with those who believe they've experienced the

supernatural.

What the mission of Jim's work has very little to do with what is real and far more to do

with what the paranormal means to us on an emotional level.

In this episode we'll talk about Jim's work with haunted objects, our ideas about how

the potential paranormal expresses itself to different people and different generations

and share some haunted experiences of our own that have made it all but impossible for

us to live a purely skeptical life.

I'm your host, Chelsea Weber-Smith, and this is American History.

Hello Jim Perry, how are you doing today thank you for being here.

Thank you so much, it's cold outside now but I am warm inside being here chatting with

you, Chelsea this is great.

So nice Jim thank you, I'm very, very hot in the closet that I'm recording in so sometimes

I'll have to open the door a little bit and just kind of fan some errands like I'm

right now.

So Jim for those of you who haven't heard Jim on our show before, Jim is the host of Ufumat

which is a paranormal podcast that deals with the human side of the paranormal versus whether

or not certain paranormal experiences are quote unquote real because none of us really

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