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How Elon Musk Is Infiltrating Washington

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 5 February 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Elon Musk and his team have taken a hacksaw to the federal bureaucracy one agency at a time, and the question has become whether he’s on a crusade that will leave the government paralyzed or deliver a shake-up it has needed for years. Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times, takes us inside this hostile takeover of Washington.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, this is the Daily. I'm Rachel Abrams.

0:11.6

Today, Elon Musk and his team have taken a hacksaw to the federal bureaucracy, one agency at a time.

0:18.9

And the question has become whether he's on a crusade

0:21.3

that will leave the government paralyzed

0:22.8

or deliver exactly the kind of shake-up

0:25.3

it's needed for years.

0:27.0

My colleague, Jonathan Swan,

0:29.0

takes us inside this hostile takeover of Washington.

0:31.6

Thank you. It's Wednesday, February 5th.

0:51.3

So, Jonathan, we always understood that Elon Musk was going to be important in this administration, in the second Trump presidency.

0:59.3

Trump had given the group that Musk was put in charge of, the Department of Government Efficiency, or Doge, as is commonly known, the job of shrinking the entire federal government.

1:08.8

But the question was always just how much power Musk would

1:12.4

actually have as a private citizen operating outside the president's cabinet. And over the past

1:17.6

few days, we've actually started to get an answer, which is a whole lot of power.

1:22.6

Yes, his power is extraordinary. He effectively is unaccountable. Donald Trump has fully empowered him to

1:31.2

roam across the federal government, get inside the pipes of the federal government,

1:37.2

look at the payment systems and the databases to embed inside these agencies.

1:49.0

Right. So this is not some chin stroking professor doing an analysis of government from the outside and, you know, let me sit down at my table

1:56.2

and write you some recommendations. You know, Walter Isaacson wrote a biography about Elon Musk where people

2:02.2

who know him talk about, quote unquote, demon mode, which he goes into, which is this sort of

2:06.6

manic energy, staying up all night, sleeping on the floor of the factory. He's done this at Tesla,

2:14.4

SpaceX, Twitter, setting unrealistic deadlines, doing mass layoffs because he thinks stuff

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