So first of, just like briefly tell me, Sarah, like, how did you end up being friends with Judith Jones?

I was taking a course in oral history up at Columbia, and my professor received an inquiry on break one day in the middle of our three-hour class.

She sort of looked up at me and she said, oh, you might be interested in this. You're a food

person. And so I looked over her shoulder and all I saw on the subject line was Judith Jones'

oral history. She was such an idol of mine at that point. And in short order, I had an offer to

helm the project of running those oral histories. The one condition was Judith and I had to meet

and she had to like me enough to work with me.

And I had really delayed calling her up

because I was so nervous to talk to this woman on the phone,

and I finally did.

And she had this very low,

almost Lauren Bacall's throaty voice,

and she answered the phone.

She said, oh, I've been expecting your call. And I was like, oh, God, I've already messed up here.

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I first heard of Judith Jones years ago.

She's been stuck in my head ever since. The big

headlines about her that got my attention. Well, she edited Julia Child's first cookbook,

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