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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots of Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Bowles

and I'm joined by Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European

Reform and James Heel of the Spectator. This week, of course, Ukraine has dominated once again,

but one aspect of this away from what Team Trump may cover of Zelensky and what the Ukrainians

might do next is the European response. Charles, you've been in Brussels this week. Is there much of a sense that the Europeans can stay united on this or a cracks

beginning to show? Well, the number one concern of most of the people I talk to in Brussels,

senior officials who run the EU, is we've got to stay united because nobody's going to take

the EU seriously if it's divided and they're doing fairly

well at that so far the summit yesterday they the 27 countries including Hungary backed the plans to

spend more money on defence both jigging rejigging the fiscal rule so the national governments can

spend more on defence but also doing some spending at EU level as well with a new European loan

facility so there's unity on that less unity on Ukraine itself 26 backed supos but also doing some spending at EU level as well with a new European loan facility.

So there's unity on that, less unity on Ukraine itself.

26 back guarantees for Ukraine, standing by Ukraine.

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