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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

How to build a Palestinian state - with Haviv Rettig Gur

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Society, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 February 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Haviv Rettig Gur of the TIMES OF ISRAEL returns for his weekly check-in from Israel. There has been a recent flurry of statements coming out of London, Washington, Brussels and the UN about the need to move on the recognition (or establishment) of a Palestinian state. Some have even argued for bypassing discussions about conceptualization, timelines, and milestones, and instead proceed straight to implementation. The EU’s Foreign Minister, Josep Borrell, has said, “I don’t think we should talk about the Middle East peace process anymore. We should start talking specifically about the two-state-solution implementation process.” What are these voices actually advocating for? What previous obstacles to a Palestinian state have been removed by the October 7 massacre? What would it actually take to build a Palestinian state that is grounded in the post-10/07 brutal reality of Israelis? Essay discussed in this episode: "The Two-State Delusion" in TABLET, by Elliott Abrams. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/two-state-delusion

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0:00.0

I have kids and my kids are the single most important thing in this world.

0:04.8

Apologies to all other humans alive. My kids matter more than all of you put together.

0:09.1

And so I would like a future in which my kids don't have to fight the Palestinians, don't have to face terrorism,

0:14.8

don't have to go into Palestinian cities and military operations when they're 18 years old.

0:20.0

That's a world I would like. So I would like peace and separation between two peoples that have a healthy relationship with each other.

0:27.0

The question isn't, do Palestinians deserve self-determination?

0:31.0

For the purpose of our conversation and because I happen to personally deeply believe it, let's just

0:35.8

say yes.

0:37.2

The question is how do we create a state that changes something on the ground, that changes the

0:42.0

reality, not just the formalities.

0:44.9

Let me cut to the chase. It's about the narrative. It's about the story.

0:49.5

As long as the Palestinians are told about us, their story of us, not their story of their history,

0:55.3

but their story of me is that I am something that can be destroyed and that must be destroyed

1:00.8

and that there is no dignity and there is no honor and there is no redemption until I'm destroyed.

1:06.0

Until that story ends, nothing moves. It is 11.5.

1:15.0

11.50.

1:19.0

It is 11.50 p.m. on Sunday, February 4th, here in Tel Aviv where I arrived today. It is

1:26.8

Sunday February 4th at 450 p.m. in New York City.

1:33.0

With all the recent talk about the possible establishment of a Palestinian state or recognition

1:39.1

of Palestinian state, I've been reflecting on one of my visits to Israel over the years in which

1:44.8

I stood in a small area on the western edge of the West Bank that overlooks what is

1:50.4

called the Hadera- Gadera rectangle. Now why are we talking about a

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