The cost of starting a (losing) war - with Dr. Einat Wilf

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🗓️ 8 February 2024

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Today we look back at the history of Palestinian violence against the Jews in Israel (and in the pre-state Yishuv) -- from the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1917 through the myriad efforts to establish a Palestinian Arab State alongside a Jewish State in the 1930s and the 40s. In our discussion today, we follow this pattern all the way through the Second Intifada in the early 2000s, and now today. Each time a war or wave of terror is launched, and Israel perseveres, the Palestinian leadership tries to dictate the terms of what comes next, as though they were the victors in this defensive war, rather than the aggressors and the defeated. Why? And are we seeing that same mindset play out right now? Did Hamas actually think it would defeat Israel with this attack, and Israel would fold to its demands, or possibly even just disappear? To help us understand this important history, Dr. Einat Wilf joins us. Einat was born and raised in Israel. She was an Intelligence Officer in the IDF. She has worked for McKinsey. She was Foreign Policy Advisor to Vice Prime Minister Shimon Peres and an advisor to Yossi Beilin, who was Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs. Dr. Wilf was a member of the Israeli Parliament (the Knesset) in the early 2010s, where she served as Chair of the Education Committee and Member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. She has a BA from Harvard, an MBA from INSEAD in France, and a PhD in Political Science from the University of Cambridge. She was a Visiting Professor at Georgetown University and is a lecturer at Reichman University in Israel. Einat is the author of seven books that explore key issues in Israeli society. “We Should All Be Zionists“, published in 2022, brings together her essays from the past four years on Israel, Zionism and the path to peace; and she co-authored “The War of Return: How Western Indulgence of the Palestinian Dream Has Obstructed the Path to Peace”, which was published in 2020. "THE WAR OF RETURN" -- https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-war-of-return-adi-schwartz/1131959248?ean=9781250364845

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0:00.0	You know over the years I would meet with European diplomats on their funding of
0:04.2	UNRWA how it perpetuates the conflict and they would say things like oh the
0:08.5	Palestinians know that they're not returning it's just a bargaining chip like you know it's a delusion and I was
0:15.3	like if there's anyone that's irrational in this conflict it's us not them they
0:21.5	look at 7 million Jews, struggling to survive amidst half a billion Arabs, 1.5 billion Muslims, and they say to themselves,
0:30.0	this is not going to last much longer of this Jewish experiment in self-determination.
0:35.0	One more generation, five more generations, we'll wait them out.
0:40.0	Whenever the Arabs of this land could have had a moment when they said,
0:45.0	you know what, this is not working out too well.
0:47.0	Maybe we should stop investing all our resources and getting rid of the Jewish state.
0:51.0	Not a good use of our time. Every time that they could have
0:54.7	had this moment, every anti-Zionist anti-Jewish ideology of the moment rushes in to tell them,
1:01.5	no, no,'re pure victims of a great evil change
1:06.6	nothing you're responsible for nothing so they actually get that fuel to
1:11.1	keep going October 7th was minute by minute the Palestinian vision of return.
1:18.0	This is why there's so much exhilaration, thrill,
1:22.0	because this is what they've been waiting for, groomed for for
1:27.8	decades and they see it and they could not be happier. It's 11.05 p.m. on Wednesday, February 7th here in Tel Aviv, and it's 405 PM on Wednesday,
1:49.4	February 7th in New York City.
1:52.4	October 7th, 2023 was not the first war launched against Israel by the Palestinians
1:58.0	or even against Jews in pre-state Israel.
2:01.2	If you go back to violence against the Jews in this area, from the
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