Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team of LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Alice Bradley, editor-in-chief of

LifeHacker. And I'm Jordan Calhoun, LifeHackers Deputy Editor. And I'm Claire Lower, Lifehacker's Senior

Food Editor. And Claire, you're here today to help us figure out how to do Thanksgiving this year.

I am. Or how to artfully skip it altogether. And that comes according to our guest today,

chef and TV personality, Andrew Zimmern.

Right now, with the mix of young and old people,

with folks having to travel and a raging pandemic that's killing hundreds of thousands of Americans,

I think it's irresponsible for us to gather.

I mean, and I'm heartbroken.

I'm heartbroken.

Andrew is an Emmy and four-time James Beard Award-winning TV hosts.

His previous shows include Bizarre Foods, Andrew Zimmerins Driven by Food, and the Zimmern List.

Andrew's latest show was called What's Eating America, which premiered back in February

this year, and next year he'll also be doing a show called Family Dinner. It's also worth

noting that Andrew does a lot of philanthropic work around food, from addressing hunger around the

world, the issue of food waste. I'm personally excited to talk to him because I know he'll have

some thoughtful answers to the question of like, how do we even deal with Thanksgiving this year?

So, Claire, as our food, ultimate food authority, what are you doing for Thanksgiving this year?

And how can we copy you?

I wish I knew. It's kind of complicated. So my dad is kind of the only family member I've seen this year,

so probably something very small with him and my stepmom. And I'm going to try to convince

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