Wilbur Ross, the man, the myth, the legend.

I'm going to be honest, when in I guess was 1999. I remember I was playing a lot of

Poker at the Mayfair poker club in New York City and there was a guy there who worked for Wilbur Ross.

And Wilbur Ross was running huge private equity funds.

He started his own private equity fund, W.L. Ross.

And he had a very just solid unique style of investing and

building businesses and I was a little jealous of this guy because I wanted to

work for Wilver Ross and Wilver Ross has just been a

consistent feature in just building businesses decade after decade and then

more recently he was Secretary of Commerce all four years of Trump's administration.

He served the entire four years and he just had a lot, he has a lot to say about building

businesses and about what's going on with the economy and what he thinks about different policies.

But he has a new book out called Risks and Returns about his 55 year career building businesses and being in the government.

So I can't believe I spoke to him.

Here he is, Wilbur Ross.

This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James quite a bit. You're a personal slice of history. Well, thank you very much.

Because you must read a lot of books, so I'm grateful you like this one.

This was so enjoyable because A, I've been a follower of your career for so many decades and B, just your insights into all the experiences you've been through, whether running W.L. Ross or your experiences in the coal industry, the banking industry,

and then of course the Secretary of Commerce and so many other things.

So it's been a fascinating ride you've been on you found yourself at the center of history so many times

Yeah, I stumbled into a lot of things

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