Hey and welcome to The Upgrade, podcast from the team at LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Jordan Calhoun, editor-in-chief of LifeHacker.

And I'm Megan Walbert, LifeHackers Managing Editor.

And this week, we're talking about a very large topic.

Yes, some might even say the biggest topic.

But not too big.

I don't want to scare you off.

Don't close your podcast app. We're going to be talking about how to talk to your kids about religion when you're not quite sure what to say.

We're going to get into it with author Wendy Thomas Russell.

What I've learned is that it is really not what you say to them, especially when they're very young.

It's not what you say to them about religion.

It's how you say it.

It's your tone. It's your

tone of neutrality and just dispassioned. Wendy is a journalist-turned author and publisher.

She's the founder of the independent book publisher Brown Paper Press and is the author of Relax. It's

just God. How and why to talk to your kids about religion when you are not religious.

She's also the co-author of the award-winning Parenthood, 10 Universal Truths that will change how you raise your kids.

And she also writes about parenting for the PBS News Hour.

So, Jordan, you've mentioned on a podcast before that your parents were pretty religious growing up.

Can you tell me about that a little bit? What was your experience with religion like when you were a kid? Oh, Megan. My childhood was

full of religion. So I didn't have that type of experience where, you know, parents are told to let

your kids decide for themselves or like learn their own beliefs. Like I was, I think

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