My most vivid memory is after getting a few people to use it, calling, you know, phone calling

the people, the first person I talked to was a woman in New York who was a friend of a friend

of a friend.

And after a little bit of small talk, I said, so, how are you feeling?

And she said, I think my migraines are going away.

And it was the first person I'd talk to.

Oh, which is no way.

No, I couldn't believe it at all.

No, no, no.

She's just being nice.

Just being nice, hung up.

And it was that same night that I called another user who had been using it for a few weeks.

And I called her and she said, I haven't had a migraine since I've been using this.

I really think I'm not going to have a migraine again.

And I just remember hanging up the phone thinking to myself, holy bleep.

I can't say that on your podcast, Laura.

Holy belief.

This is, I could not believe it at all.

This is like mind, Like Body, a podcast about the surprising ways that our thoughts and feelings affect our physical health.

I'm your host, Laura Sago, and normally this show consists of interviews with physicians, researchers, experts, and regular folks who have extraordinary stories to share about the power of the mind-body connection.

But today we are bringing you part two in a two-part series that chronicles the story of how three chronic pain suffers, found

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