Like Mind, Like Body

In this interview, Christie Uipi, LCSW, sits down with world-renowned mindbody physician Dr. Howard Schubiner to explore the limitations of the traditional medical model in treating conditions like POTS, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, chronic Lyme disease, Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS), ME/CFS, and Long COVID. Together, they discuss how a mindbody approach can bring clarity to these often confusing conditions - and offer a hopeful path forward for those seeking relief.

Transcribed - Published: 25 April 2025

In this episode of the Like Mind, Like Body podcast, Christie Uipi, LCSW, sits down with researcher and professor Dr. Cynthia Thomson, who led an independent clinical trial to assess how effective the Curable App is in treating chronic pain and symptoms. Discover what the data reveals about Curable's impact on pain, anxiety, and more — and learn how we can make this approach to healing more accessible and understood by all.

Transcribed - Published: 13 March 2025

On this new episode of the Like Mind, Like Body podcast, psychotherapist and leading pain clinician Nicole Sachs, LCSW, joins host Christie Uipi, LCSW, for an in-depth conversation about the ways our repressed emotions, resistance patterns, and expectations impact our pain and symptoms. Tune in to hear major insights from Nicole’s personal healing journey and get a sneak peek at some of the biggest takeaways from her groundbreaking new book, Mind Your Body.

Transcribed - Published: 18 December 2024

Join Christie Uipi, LCSW, and Rachel Mooers, LMFT, for an uplifting talk about the very important role of play, joy, and fun in the healing process. If your chronic symptoms make it feel like joy, play, and fun are out of reach, stick with us because this episode is for you. Tune in to learn how playfulness can be used to break the pain-fear cycle and enjoy a 15-minute guided body awareness exercise intended to help you tap into joyful sensations.

Transcribed - Published: 18 October 2024

Sophie Hawley-Weld, of the iconic musical duo Sofi Tukker, suffered from chronic migraines and back pain that was so severe it jeopardized her thriving career and livelihood. Sophie’s journey, like those of many other chronic pain sufferers, took many twists and turns. It wasn’t until Sophie learned how to meld a brain-based approach with body-based modalities that she was finally able to find relief.

Transcribed - Published: 5 September 2024

“The brain can create or amplify any sensation in any part of the body, and the mindbody connection is relevant to all health conditions.” This truth is how Christie Uipi, LCSW, and renowned Audiologist, Dr. Yonit Arthur kick off an enlightening discussion about healing non-pain conditions with a mindbody approach. Tune in to hear how your thoughts, emotions, and actions impact symptoms like dizziness, vertigo, anxiety, tinnitus, hyperacusis, fatigue, insomnia, gut issues, urinary urgency, brain fog, and more.

Transcribed - Published: 21 August 2024

Feeling connected to others and the natural world is a crucial component of wellness. However, forming and nurturing fulfilling relationships can only happen when you are connected to your authentic self. So how do we tune in to the frequency of our own needs? Join Matthew Lederman, MD, Alona Pulde, MD, and Christie Uipi, LCSW, on the Like Mind, Like Body podcast to explore how self-awareness and intentional communication can open the door for deeper interpersonal relationships and improved physical health.

Transcribed - Published: 19 July 2024

Are your goals setting yourself up for success? We create goals with the best intentions but often forget to acknowledge our personal needs and experiences along the way. On this episode of the Like Mind, Like Body podcast, Vanessa Blackstone, ACSW, joins host, Christie Uipi, LCSW to discuss personalizing, modifying, and focusing your healing goals for better outcomes.

Transcribed - Published: 2 July 2024

How does overexertion impact recovery? What happens to our symptoms when we take on more work and responsibilities than our bodies can comfortably manage? Why do we push ourselves too hard and how do we heal when our environment gives us no other choice? On this episode of the Like Mind, Like Body podcast, special guest, Farah Zerehi, LMFT, joins Christie Uipi, LCSW, to answer these questions and more by sharing their personal experiences with chronic pain and illness.

Transcribed - Published: 3 June 2024

Self-doubt is one of the biggest barriers to making progress in healing chronic symptoms. If you frequently question yourself, your decisions, and your body’s ability to recover, this episode is for you. Join Christie Uipi, LCSW, and special guest Stevon Lewis, LMFT, as they discuss how patterns of doubt arise and what you can do to grow confidence in yourself, your instincts, and your capacity to heal.

Transcribed - Published: 19 April 2024

People pleasing, perfectionism, worrying, oh my! In this episode of the Like Mind, Like Body podcast, returning guest Callie Klebanoff, LCSW, is back to unpack the complex interplay between personality traits and pain. Prepare to explore how our experiences shape our habits, how our habits shape our personality traits, and most importantly, how to apply this knowledge to reduce your chronic symptoms.

Transcribed - Published: 15 March 2024

Join Like Mind, Like Body host, Christie Uipi, LCSW, and special guest, Bernice Hurtado, LCSW, as they challenge common mindbody recovery tools and share practical, applicable strategies for seeing success with these techniques in the real world. Tune in to hear helpful “hot takes” on breath work, cultivating safety, meditation, success stories, journaling, and more.

Transcribed - Published: 16 February 2024

Charlie Merrill, MSPT, helps clients heal by combining traditional, hands-on, manual physical therapy with the mindbody, biopsychosocial approach. Tune in to hear what he’s learned from years of treating a wide variety of patients, including some of the best athletes in the world, and how these learnings can help you on your journey.

Transcribed - Published: 17 November 2023

Do you find yourself stuck in a loop of obsessive thoughts about pain? You are not alone, and Daniel Lyman, LCSW, has just the techniques to help you through it.

Transcribed - Published: 20 September 2023

Race, rest, recharging, and revitalizing: this episode covers it all. Join Christie Uipi, Founder of the Better Mind Center, and Benita Jackson, PhD, MPH, for a wide-ranging conversation about the next wave of chronic pain research.

Transcribed - Published: 19 July 2023

When it comes to healing, do you need to believe that there is only one “right path” for you? Dr. Lilia Graue doesn’t think so. In this episode, she shares her take on how skepticism and uncertainty can be welcomed in as a natural part of the healing journey. This episode is hosted by Christie Uipi, LCSW, Executive Director of the Better Mind Center.

Transcribed - Published: 17 May 2023

"Taking care of yourself is a resilient act, one that requires vulnerability, rest, and compassion." That’s the advice that Kamil Lewis, LMFT, gives to her clients who are struggling with chronic pain. In this fan-favorite episode from 2020, Kamil offers validation and guidance on navigating experiences that contribute to chronic pain, like oppression, marginalization, and burnout. Join us to learn tips on building community, validating your experience, and reigniting your sex life in the face of chronic symptoms.

Transcribed - Published: 22 February 2023

In this fan-favorite episode from 2018, Laura interviews Katie Estridge, a physical therapist and yoga therapist who treats her patients as whole-minded individuals. Depending on a patient’s needs, her unique approach draws from pain science, traditional rehabilitation exercise, meditation, gentle yoga flows, and more. Though her techniques have helped many to live a better life, Katie still struggled with her own chronic pain battle until she found Curable. Join us to hear what she learned from working with the Curable app and how she’s paying it forward to her patients.

Transcribed - Published: 18 January 2023

"I don’t consider myself to have chronic pain anymore.” This is a sentence you don’t expect to hear from a friend who has experienced decades of unexplained symptoms. For Phil, however, it’s exactly what happened. Tune in to hear how Phil’s struggles with back pain, neck pain and fibromyalgia led him to the physical, mental, and emotional healing journey of a lifetime.

Transcribed - Published: 17 November 2022

“When we get a diagnosis, we tend to hold it still. Then we assume that it’s going to stay that way or get worse. People hear the word ‘chronic' as ‘uncontrollable' or ‘incurable.' Nothing in and of itself is incurable. All that means is that we haven’t yet found the way to cure it.” In this episode, the “Mother of Mindfulness,” Harvard professor Dr. Ellen Langer, gives her take on chronic pain. Join us to learn about how mindlessness impacts daily life, the benefits of embracing uncertainty, and why noticing change could be the key too healing.

Transcribed - Published: 19 October 2022

Years ago, Dan received a cancer diagnosis. He underwent major surgery to remove the tumor from his spinal cord, but his life changed drastically when he woke up paralyzed from the chest down. Although his sensation eventually returned, it brought excruciating pain along with it. Join us to hear how Dan went from daily pain levels of 8-10 to a near full recovery in one year.

Transcribed - Published: 28 September 2022

Dr. Dario Zagar is no stranger to chronic pain. In addition to treating it in his office every day, he’s experienced symptoms like migraine and back pain in his own life. Today, Dr. Zagar is an associate professor at Yale and a practicing neurologist, and he is determined to help people with pain find the same relief that he did.

Transcribed - Published: 17 August 2022

After participating in her college horseback riding team, Katia started to experience a combination of physical symptoms that baffled her. Her constant background headache, whiplash, and body aches eventually turned into migraines that lasted for half of each month. Katia was later diagnosed with Post-Concussion Syndrome and spent years shrinking her life to fit around her symptoms. Today, Katia has finally discovered her path to healing and managed to reduce her symptoms by about 85% over the course of two years. Tune in to hear about Katia’s slow and steady path to recovery and learn exactly what she did to find relief.

Transcribed - Published: 8 June 2022

There are two key questions Dr. Asare Christian asks each of his patients in their first meeting: “What is your understanding of why you have pain?” and “What has your pain prevented you from doing?” Answering these questions, he believes, is critical to developing a treatment plan that is actually going to work. In this episode, we examine each question in-depth, understanding why each is so important and what can be done with the answers.

Transcribed - Published: 11 May 2022

Wish you could reduce your pain? Of course you do. But according to Callie Klebanoff, LCSW, pain reduction is not always the best goal to set at the start of your healing journey. Tune in to hear about how her unconventional starting point can improve the odds of long-term success.

Transcribed - Published: 6 April 2022

Can the simple act of learning about pain actually help you to heal it? The short answer is 'yes.' In this episode, one of the world’s leading experts in Pain Neuroscience Education (PNE), Dr. Adriaan Louw, joins us to explain how and why.

Transcribed - Published: 2 March 2022

How long can relief from chronic pain and symptoms really last? Is any hope of recovery temporary, or can changes in the brain and nervous system last a lifetime? In this episode, we speak to real people who have recovered from chronic pain and symptoms to find out.

Transcribed - Published: 19 January 2022

Today’s story comes from Brandon, an engineer whose mysterious hand pains eventually led him into a year-long medical leave. He joins us on the show to share the specific steps he took to get from a daily pain level of 8 to a daily pain level of almost nothing.

Transcribed - Published: 17 November 2021

What’s more effective at treating chronic back pain: the usual standard of care, a placebo, or psychotherapy? That’s the question Yoni Ashar, PhD, sought to answer in his latest randomized clinical trial. Join us as Dr. Ashar talks through the results of his study and breaks down what it all means for people in pain.

Transcribed - Published: 27 October 2021

After 10 years of conflicting diagnoses and mysterious flare-ups, Dr. Etrian Lim had no idea whether she’d ever find relief from the litany of symptoms that plagued her. She found herself having to lie down between seeing patients, going to her own medical appointments almost daily, and occasionally using a wheelchair. Join us as Dr. Lim shares what’s happened over the past year that led her to 80% symptom reduction and a quality of life she never thought she could find again.

Transcribed - Published: 18 August 2021

Have you ever felt that you simply don’t have the time, resources, or emotional bandwidth that it would take to heal? You’re not alone. In fact, according to Dr. Trung Ngo, this is one of the most common barriers to healing success. From his experiences as a refugee from Vietnam to his clinical work with complex, chronic diseases, Dr. Ngo has gained a deep understanding of the process of overcoming hardships. He shares an exciting new tool he’s using with patients to help them create a safe space for healing in their environment, The Weave.

Transcribed - Published: 21 July 2021

Nathan has struggled with symptoms of back pain, IBS, fatigue, and a laundry list of other ailments since the mid-90s. In this episode, he shares about his experience with John Sarno’s book 'Healing Back Pain', his subsequent discovery of how the science has evolved since the book was written, and his life-changing journey of rewiring and reducing all of his symptoms. Tune in to hear about his routine with the Curable app, experience with Nicole Sachs’s 'Journal Speak' technique, and more.

Transcribed - Published: 30 June 2021

For 20 years, Stefanie Reyes has navigated life with IBS, migraines, fibromyalgia, panic attacks, anxiety, and depression. Today, she's optimistic that the next 20 years will look very different. After living life at what she calls 30 percent of herself for two decades, Stefanie shares her hopes and plans for a future with less fear, more joy, and radical authenticity.

Transcribed - Published: 28 April 2021

Millions of children struggle with persistent symptoms. Millions more watch their parents or loved ones struggle. What they see, hear, and experience during these formative years will have a lasting impact on their adult experience of pain. What can we do to make sure the next generation responds to pain in a healthier way than the generations before them? Dr. Joshua Pate joins us to explore possible solutions.

Transcribed - Published: 2 February 2021

Dr. Les Aria found his love in an unlikely place - a chronic pain clinic. For the past 16 years, Dr. Aria’s passion been helping skeptics to believe that pain psychology can help to reduce their physical symptoms. Dr. Aria serves as the Lead Pain Psychologist at Kaiser Permanente Medical Group in Northern California, and has helped countless patients put doubt in their pocket and open their minds to a new way of thinking about pain. Join us to hear more about his unique approach.

Transcribed - Published: 20 January 2021

Taking care of yourself is a resilient act, one that requires vulnerability, rest, and compassion -- that’s the advice that Kamil Lewis, AMFT, gives to her clients who are struggling with chronic pain. In this episode, Kamil offers validation and guidance on navigating experiences that contribute to chronic pain, like oppression, marginalization, and burnout. Join us to learn tips on building community, acknowledging the challenges you've faced, and reigniting your sex life in the face of chronic symptoms.

Transcribed - Published: 11 November 2020

Why do modern pain science and treatment seem so different from one another right now? As a physician and consultant, Dr. Deepak Ravindran observes this gap across thousand of pain patients, providers, and organizations each year. On this episode, he explains how pain patients and practitioners alike can achieve better outcomes by closing their knowledge gaps about how pain really works. Join us to learn about the difference between pain and nociception, what fibromyalgia has in common with back pain, why trauma-informed care is the way of the future, and more.

Transcribed - Published: 14 October 2020

Every day, we move through life unconsciously processing a wide range of emotions and anxieties. Whether we realize it or not, the way we handle (or don’t handle) these stresses produces a physiological response in the body. Dr. Allan Abbass explains how this works, why it’s important to understand, and how it leads so many folks down the path to chronic symptoms.

Transcribed - Published: 26 August 2020

After recovering from 20 years of chronic migraine, mindful meditation and self compassion expert Jessica Dixon simply couldn’t go back to “life as she knew it.” Her healing journey had changed the way she experienced life physically, mentally, and emotionally. Deep down, she knew it was time for her talents to be redirected towards helping others find their own way down the healing path. Join us as Jessica shares her journey from chronic migraine sufferer to mindful self compassion coach, meditation expert, defender of healthy boundaries, and Curable Groups facilitator.

Transcribed - Published: 10 June 2020

The road to recovery from chronic pain is unique for everyone. But according to Christie Uipi, the journey almost always holds a few predictable twists. As the former Associate Director of the Pain Psychology Center, Christie helped hundreds transform their relationship to pain.

Transcribed - Published: 21 April 2020

Nicoles Sachs is no stranger to chronic pain. After overcoming her own physical pain and transforming her life, she knew that her calling would be to help others do the same. Her unique approach to doing that doesn’t involve pills or years of therapy; it simply requires an open mind, a pen, and a piece of paper. Join us as Nicole explains her philosophy and guides you how to use her “Journal Speak” techniques at home.

Transcribed - Published: 31 March 2020

INTRODUCING: Tell Me About Your Pain, a new Curable podcast. In this episode: Chronic pain sufferers share their struggles with navigating Coronavirus anxiety. Kristin grapples with feelings of uncertainty, while Bethany has a difficult time cultivating a sense of safety during the global pandemic of Covid-19. Co-hosts Alan Gordon, LCSW (Founder of the Pain Psychology Center) and Alon Ziv help Kristin and Bethany calm their fears, and discuss how these anxieties connect back to the latest research on pain. Powered by Curable, an online program that uses mindbody techniques to relieve chronic pain, more at CurableHealth.com

Transcribed - Published: 24 March 2020

Dr. Bethany Ranes is a research scientist with a background in cognitive neuroscience. She’s currently working on a project that could dramatically change the future of healthcare for chronic pain patients. Her team at UnitedHealth Group Research and Development is tasked with significantly improving chronic pain patient outcomes over the next 10 years. And to do that, they’re building a new system: one that’s more reflective of modern pain science and one that treats patients from a biological, psychological, and social perspective.

Transcribed - Published: 2 March 2020

Grace Theisen is a musician, songwriter, entrepreneur, and activist - all of which are parts of her identity that got shoved to the side after she woke up one day with excruciating pain in her back. A pain that stuck around for the next seven years despite two intensive surgeries and thousands of dollars worth of treatment. Today, Grace has a pretty good idea of where it came from and why it kept getting worse, but it took her nearly a decade to get these answers and find a way to gain control over it and get her life back. Join us as Grace peels back the layers of her physical symptoms and rediscovers herself along the way. For pictures and exclusive content that go along with this episode, head over to www.curablehealth.com/grace.

Transcribed - Published: 15 December 2019

Neuroscientist, writer, consultant, and coach Dr. Alex Korb. Dr. Korb has studied the brain for over 15 years. The more closely he studies conditions like depression, anxiety, chronic pain, and addiction, the more he realizes that they’re not so separate from one another. Join us as Dr. Korb explains how the brain gets stuck in downward spirals and how we can play a role in turning them upside down. Advisory: This episode contains a brief story about suicide. If you are not in a position to listen to this story, please skip minutes 8-11 of the episode.

Transcribed - Published: 21 November 2019

Fiona has spent the last 25 years of her life battling serious health issues. The most disabling of those issues for her has been ME, or as many people know it, chronic fatigue syndrome. ME/CFS has severely limited Fiona's energy and mobility for the past 14 years. There’s a lot more to her story than just her illnesses and the burdens that they have placed on her life; but today, that’s the topic she’s here to speak about. After years of suffering, Fiona has found a way to work with her body that is drastically changing her health - and if anyone else out there who is struggling with fatigue or chronic pain could benefit from hearing her story, she wants them to hear it.

Transcribed - Published: 21 May 2019

When it comes to pelvic floor dysfunction, Evelyn Hecht has seen it all in her 20+ years of experience: pain with sex, vulvodynia, interstitial cystitis, urinary frequency, pain associated with endometriosis, pudendal neuralgia, irritable bowel syndrome, constipation, post-surgical symptoms, and more. Throughout her career, she has found that the journey OUT of pain is just as unique and individual as the journey INTO pain. That's why she treats her patients with a more holistic approach, looking beyond the diagnosis to help them connect their symptoms with life experiences, thought patterns, learned nervous system habits, and more. Join us as Evelyn discusses the tips, strategies, and ideas that have helped thousands heal from pelvic floor dysfunctions.

Transcribed - Published: 21 March 2019

Lowri has experienced some form of pain or illness since she was a child. Over the years, her symptoms have taken many forms - including vulvodynia, endometriosis pain, IBS, migraines, and more. After years of various treatments, she resigned herself to the fact that she'd simply be in pain forever. Last year, all of that changed. Join us as Lowri shares her stunning journey into self-discovery, healing, and hope.

Transcribed - Published: 12 March 2019

Dr. Murphy has spent the bulk of her career scaling safe, effective ways to treat chronic pain at the United States Department of Veterans Affairs. As the VA’s master trainer in cognitive behavioral therapy for chronic pain, Dr. Murphy has helped to train over 500 healthcare practitioners in a whole-person treatment approach. She also served as clinical director for the VA's only inpatient chronic pain treatment program and has helped expand access to similar programs in VA. Today, she’ll give us a peek behind the curtain at how the VA approaches chronic pain, what the private sector can learn from that approach, and how civilians can start to take advantage of some of the VA’s most effective strategies from the comfort of their own homes.

Transcribed - Published: 22 January 2019

John Stracks, MD, has been helping patients overcome their chronic pain for over a decade. Then last year, during a particularly stressful period of his life, he faced a case of symptoms that he couldn’t immediately solve. The patient? Himself. Join us as Dr. Stracks takes a journey inward: re-learning how to listen to his body, finding new ways to move on from his past, and discovering lessons to pass along to his patients.

Transcribed - Published: 16 October 2018