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The Internet Book of Critical Care Podcast

IBCC Episode 36 - All things Phosphate

The Internet Book of Critical Care Podcast

Adam Thomas

Foam, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Science, Criticalcare, Medicaleducation

5714 Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2019

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, you get a two-for-one. Come for the hypophosphatemia, stay for the hyperphosphatemia.

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0:00.0

All right, welcome back to the Internet Book of Critical Care podcast.

0:08.7

I'm here with Adam Thomas and we're going to talk about all things phosphorus.

0:11.7

We're going to start with hypo, so not enough, and then end it with hyper too much.

0:16.4

So Josh, hypophosphatemia, maybe the more clinically relevant or something you see more of. Let's talk about that.

0:23.0

Yeah, this is tricky, honestly. And I think one challenge here is that all of the evidence is

0:27.9

correlational. So there's lots of evidence that hypophosphotemia correlates with badness.

0:32.3

And then I think the billion dollar question is, does giving phosphorus improve outcomes or

0:36.7

does it just fix the number?

0:38.0

And I don't have a solid answer for that. I do tend to be a bit of a phosphorus believer.

0:42.4

It's involved in a lot of important things like ATP. But ultimately, if folks on the internet

0:47.5

troll us and say, you know, we're throwing a bunch of faucet people for no reason. I don't have a

0:52.3

solid reply to that. What, ATP's important, Josh?

0:55.4

It's not that important. Only if you want to live. Think of the mitochondria. Yeah. All right, guys,

1:01.8

let's talk about phosphate physiology then. Walk me through the basics here because I remember there's

1:06.9

some parathyroid glands. There's a liver. There's some skin. What's going on here?

1:14.9

So first of all, as far as cellular physiology, this is also frustrating.

1:18.4

So 99% of the phosphorus is inside cells.

1:19.8

And that's where it matters. So we need phosphate to be inside of the cells.

1:22.6

The extracellular phosphate level probably doesn't matter at all.

1:26.1

And unfortunately, that's what we measure. And this is

1:28.3

problematic because the patients who are really dying from hypophosphatemia, they're dying from

1:32.3

intracellular hypophosphatemia. So those are patients who probably have chronic hypophosphatemia,

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