My name is Mark Vesente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, Aval. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group, to societal.

It's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the

fuck is on my mind.

Hello, everybody.

This episode, I'm going to get back to my roots a bit

talking about narcissism and narcissistic abuse

and, you know, all the good stuff about empathy and non-empathy.

And I have an amazing guest on today.

It was an incredible conversation.

But before we get into that,

I just want to remind you,

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Go to patreon.com forward slash Mark Viscente. thank you to my patron subscribers for all your support so this episode i have dr jamie zuckerman let me read you a little blurb about her dr jamie zuckerman is a

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