Hello, Restus Classified listeners.

We are dropping in to tell you about another wonderful podcast from Wondery and Gollhanger

called Legacy.

That's right, it's hosted by historian Peter Frankapan and broadcaster Afwer Hirsch,

and they delve into the lives of some of history's most influential figures,

from Margaret Thatcher to Napoleon, JFK to Cleopatra, unpacking what their pasts reveal about

are present.

And in their latest season, they are exploring the legacy of Sigmund Freud.

Now, it may come as a bit of a surprise, but Freud's work has had a significant impact on

the world of espionage.

That is right. I mean, his work contributed to how interrogators extracted information from subjects

and also helped intelligence services identify psychological vulnerabilities in foreign leaders and other targets,

using things like past traumas and childhood experiences to

predict behaviors. For example, in 1943, the precursor to the CIA, which is then called the

OSS, commissioned a profile on Adolf Hitler, written by a psychoanalyst named Walter Langer,

who was trained via Freudian psychoanalysis, and Langer correctly predicted that

Hitler would potentially end his own life if he felt defeat was imminent.

And we're about to play you a clip from the second episode in the series about Freud.

In this clip, Peter and Afwer are talking about Freud's seminal publication of the

interpretation of dreams.

You'll also hear from Freud expert and psychoanalyst Brett Carr, who really helped the legacy hosts get inside the mind of Freud. If you like what you hear, search and follow legacy

wherever you get your podcasts.

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